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The Ace Pod 2.3: On Another Ocean, wsg Stu Douglass

The Ace Pod 2.3: On Another Ocean, wsg Stu Douglass

March 30, 2020

“That moment and that feeling, the hush of that crowd, that sticks with me most vividly, for sure.”

I’m very excited to welcome Stu Douglass onto the show. The two-time Michigan basketball captain needs little introduction; he graduated in 2012 as the program’s all-time leader in games played and fifth in three-pointers made. Since his U-M career, he’s spent most of his professional basketball career in Israel, where he currently resides—a tricky situation at the moment that we discuss at length.

This episode, as always, is brought to you by the law offices of E. Jason Blankenship, who may be socially distanced from the courthouse but is still taking on clients. You can find his new website here.


We discuss Stu’s current contract situation in Israel, why he stayed when other Americans left for home, and what it’s like being isolated away from his home country. Stu discusses the challenges of staying in playing shape and how that could impact the restart of basketball in any league—there are major risks for players in moving too quickly but money will influence leagues to push it.
Stu has some business plans and I probably should charge a commission if he takes my advice but we’re calling this one a freebie. We move into talking about his playing career in Israel, getting used to the country and style of basketball, sage advice he received early in his career, and the differences between Israeli ball (“half-assed sets and getting into a ball screen”), the NCAA/NBA, and other European leagues.


We take it back to Stu’s playing career at Michigan, starting with a discussion of the 2011 MSU game and where it stands among his most memorable moments. There’s one in here that most of you will not guess. Stu reveals who Zack Novak was yelling at during the Aneurysm of Leadership—that answer also may surprise you, as it certainly surprised him.

He also discusses the behind-the-scenes, business-like approach even the most clean-cut college coaches take in the NCAA. John Beilein called him soft in his first drill at Michigan. We talk Beilein’s departure from Michigan and whether it came as a surprise to him, how much he keeps up with the current team, and his thoughts on how fans perceive the early entry process versus the realities for the players.

The Teams: 1918

The Teams: 1918

March 19, 2020

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(starts at 0:50)

Germans start using U-Boats. Russia drops out, U.S. enters the war in April 1917. But the U.S. takes a year to get there. "Spanish” Flu: Killed 50 to 100 million globally. U.S. loses 110,000 in the war, 40% of whom die of the flu, and most of these before they even went abroad. Especially hit children (today they think people who’d gotten other flus had some immunity built up). Most who died did so from pneumonia. Spread from Camp Devens near Boston. U.S. didn’t want to incite panic so they kept it out of headlines and purposefully didn’t respond quickly.

Epidemic hit peak fear on October 11 and ⅔ games were called off. Athletic:

By the start of November, just 87 college games had been played nationwide. In 1916 and 1917, those figures had been 291 games and 253 games, respectively. The following season, 287 games would be played across the country before November.

[Hit THE JUMP for the player and rest of the writeup]


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Rule changes: eligible receivers can catch the ball anywhere on the field.  Threat of cancellation: Germany’s spring offensive in 1918 was followed by the Allies’ 100 days offensive, and in the middle of that the Big Ten considered calling off its games. War teams: Chicago Naval Reserve went 4-0 vs Chicago, Illinois, Northwestern and Minnesota. Because so many players are leaving for the war they lift the Freshman rule for a year.

ROTC created in 1916 but can’t wait two years so they also create the SATC to train officers quickly. Most of the football team joined (since you could be drafted if you didn’t). Penn, Michigan’s rival through its Big Ten hiatus, lost 6 players in 1918. Every Saturday you’d have to field a different lineup. Stagg:

“I think I voice the sentiments of every coach in the country when I say we will teach football this season for Uncle Sam without having the desire to win foremost in our minds,” Stagg said, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. “Our first thoughts will be to get the men into physical condition, teach them how to think and act quickly and show them the best way of charging and blocking. Team play in football corresponds to the unity of attack in the army. I think playing the game will make better officers.”

SATC means the federal govt, not NCAA, can set standards. Left it to the War Dept.

War Department (now State Dept) was running the homefront: quarantines and travel restrictions were being promulgated all summer. Finally clarified them in October:

  1. Academic standards

  2. No more than one and a half hours per day of football practice,

  3. No football games in October that required an absence from campus for a period longer than “Noon to Taps on Saturday”

  4. Only 4 November games per school, two at home, two on the road “which shall in no case involve longer absences than from retreat Friday to taps Sunday.”

  5. Can’t charge high admission for any game involving a military team.

Pitt bitched because they had to go into the city to use their field so they lost half their practice time getting there. Minnesota turned their entire program over to the local military guy (commandant), as in the Minnesota coaches were told to take a hike.


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Lose almost everybody, including second year in a row their captain (Tad Wieman) leaves to go fight in the war (he enlisted in the Aviation Corps). Also lost halfback Eddie Usher after the first game.

Who’s back then? Goetz (moved from end to guard to tackle), and Cohn.


Quarterback Kenneth T. “Mike” Knode (Sr) Was Maryland’s starting QB and transferred to Michigan. More of a baseball star, played pro ball for the St. Louis Cardinals. Older brother of Robert Knode, who also played for Michigan before becoming a Cleveland Indians All Star. He’s in the Univ of Maryland Hall of Fame.

Left Halfback John S. “Jack” Perrin (Jr). From Escanaba, left after the 1918 season and served in the Navy two years, then played again in 1920. Had a cup of coffee with the Red Sox in 1921 and bounced around the minors then tried pro football. Hart-like.

Right Halfback Abe Cohn (junior) (5), ACTING CAPTAIN: Star in basketball too. Jewish son of Russian immigrants, from Spokane (born in Portland, Oregon), dad and bros owned a furniture business. Via the Free Press he was a Brandon Minor/De’Veon Smith type:

"He made a gain practically every time he was given the ball and, when he was stopped, it always took two or three men to turn the trick.

Could have played into 1919 but redshirted basically so he could play in 1920, since 1919 was going to be packed with guys who were back from the war. Could play end or fullback too. Later became the head football and basketball coach at Whitworth College then Spokane University. On the side he was a PCC (now Pac 12) official, the last good one.

Fullback/Punter/Kicker Frank Steketee (Fr) Deserves mention among the great Michigan special teams specialists and great all-around athletes. Rare Freshman, president of his class, was supposed to be behind Eddie Usher but Usher got called up after the Case Western game, in which Stek had impressed as a sub.

In a punting era Frank was the best until Kipke--Stek once kicked a 100-yarder they say. Also one of the early range kickers, winning three big games in 1918 with his long FGs. Scored all the points in the Cuse game and intercepted the GW pass. Also had a hand in all 14 points against Ohio State, including a 73-yard punt that stopped at the 2 yard line. Only player in the West on the All-American team.

Member of M’s first swim team and a great gymnast (not yet a varsity sport), and played on the M hockey team a bit.  Steketee himself got called up in 1919 and served overseas in the Navy, came back and was all-Big in 1920. Served again in WWII as a medic.

FB Edward Usher: Injured after first game. Called up.

Backups: HB/QB Harlan Walker (Jr). Started the first game at QQ; RHB William R. Cruse (Jr) Detroiter who went on to be a football and basketball coach in Iowa.


Left End/RE: Robert Jerome Dunne (Fr). Class of 1922. Yes, Chicagoans THAT Dunne--his father Edward F. Dunne was the mayor of Chicago then governor of Illinois. Candidate for best all-around athlete at Michigan: starred in track and basketball as well, and represented the U.S. in track at the 1920 Olympics in the Pentathalon. Came back and moved to guard on the 1920 and 1921 teams, was 1st team All-American in 1921. Went on to be the line coach at Northwestern, Harvard, and Chicago. Became a state court judge in Illinois. Probate judge oversaw the sale of the White Sox to Bill Veeck.

Brother Maurice played for Yost 1913-16, and two more older brothers were athletes at Michigan. and another from 1944 plus and Arthur Dunne

Right End: Theodore or Edwin Boville? (Soph)

RE Arthur Karpus (So) Mostly a basketball star. Started the 2nd game (Chicago) only. Football/baseball/basketball star was the captain of the 1920-21 hoops team that won M’s first Big Ten championship. Became a mechanical engineer and worked for the highway commission.

End Fred Hendershot didn’t play much but he’s the great grandfather of the Indiana TE.


Center: Henry A. “Ernie” Vick (Fr) The other star freshman would go on to be in the college football Hall of Fame. Vick was great at D and snapping. Kipke later said Vick was the best center since Germany Shultz. Said Yost:

“He is the most accurate passer from center that has ever put a ball into play. Under pressure he was dependable at all times.”

Mostly a big boxy “line plunger” (middle linebacker). Was finally All-American as a senior--by then Yost was consulting Vick on plays.
Later was the catcher for Grover Cleveland Alexander on the 1920s St Louis Cardinals (Branch Rickey was coaching M baseball). Won a World Series in 1926. After baseball Vick came back as Michigan’s line coach for a time, then played some pro football, ending up on Halas’s Bears. Was later a football official for the Big Ten, and worked the Rose Bowl. Ended up in Ann Arbor.

C Elmer W. “Earl” Cress: Started the Case game and played well.

Left Tackle Angus Goetz (Soph). From Sault Ste. Marie, studied medicine at Michigan. Started the first game at guard. Had the huge punt block, elected captain in 1919 and 1920.

"There is one star on the team, and that is Goetz, a great player. ... It is a line from poor to good, with one great spot where Goetz stood

Story of Yost saying he would lose his ‘M’ if he played professional ball in 1922 (two years after graduation) and he turned down $2400 (10 games x $240) and Yost bragged about it. Goetz did play pro ball in 1922 and 1923 on the weekends while in med school. Became a leading orthopedic surgeon in Detroit (chief of orthopedics at Detroit Receiving Hospital). Served in WWII.

Right Tackle Chester Cale Morrison (2). Know nothing except he apparently died in 1960 in Florida. He has several surviving grandchildren.

Others: RT/LG William Fortune (Jr): one of the few guys to go on to play in the NFL, RT Francis T. “Frank” Czysz, RT Albert Lent, LT CC Clash, Left Guard: Theodore “Theo” Adams (3), Right Guard Jean Paul Freeman (5)


Fletcher   Clash Goetz   Cress   Freeman   Lent   Dunne


Perrin        Usher       Cohn


Dunne Goetz   Adams   Vick Freeman   Morrison   Karpus


                      Perrin       Steketee Cohn

Dunne Goetz   Adams   Vick Freeman   Young   Morrison


                        Perrin    Steketee Cohn


Dunne Goetz   Adams   Vick Freeman Fortune Bovill


                        Perrin    Steketee Cohn

Ohio State:

Dunne  Goetz Fortune   Vick Freeman Czysz   Bovill


                        Perrin    Steketee Cohn


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via UMBentley

Originally there were games @Cornell, vs Northwestern (in A2) and vs Minnesota (at A2) but those were canceled when the govt made its rule. Wartime travel restrictions canceled the Cornell and Minnesota games, and they replaced them with games against Camp Custer and University of Mount Vernon, but then the flu pandemic canceled both of those plus the Northwestern game, so they got Syracuse instead.

[No games the rest of October because Camp Custer and Mount Union games canceled and MAC rescheduled]

Daily isn’t in the mood to discuss the game. It gets one line on pg 2:

“Football is a rough game for the Case lads. So they “hike” instead.

@ CHICAGO 13-0
Nov 9, 1918


Resumption of the old rivalry after 13 years! Last time UC won that 2-0 game that broke Yost’s 56-game winning streak. 7,000 fans come.

Daily has a play by play.

Not a great game--Cohn and Knode both fumble away early drives, the second leads to an attempted drop kick from the 45 yard line that Goetz blocked and ran 55 yards for a TD. End of the 3rd Q Michigan is driving and is on the Chicago 7. Michigan comes out of the quarter in a fake punt formation, snaps it to Perrin who rumbles to the 1. Got it in next play but Stek missed the XP.

Stek has a bad game overall. Perrin is the star:



Nov 16, 1918

Cuse and Pitt are the best two teams in the East. Orangemen won the rest of their schedule 141-6.

Rain-soaked and muddy as hell. Stek misses a field goal from the 25, Knode fumbles at the Cuse 5 yard line. Second Q for some reason Cuse is passing and Cohn and Vick both get interceptions. Then Syracuse makes mistakes: offsides on a punt gives M good field position, and in the worst of the rain Stek kicks good from the 36. Next Cuse drive they get a roughing and Stek’s kick is good from the 35. 3rd quarter Stek misses from the 32, Vick gets another INT and so does Knode. M gets to the 14 and Stek makes it 9-0. Later on Stek intercepts and runs it in for a TD: 15-0, misses his own XP.

Henry Bullion of the Freep:

One man stood above all the rest in this sparkling triumph of the Wolverines. They'll be singing the praises of Steketee long after he trods the campus for the last time. All of the points assembled by Michigan are attributed to the educated toe and agility of Yost's brilliant fullback."

Nov 23, 1918

Classic M-MSU battle where Michigan held won the battle in the trenches while MSU had some electric play from the backfield.

About 15k crowded into Ferry Field (Yost: we need a new building). MSU is coming off a win over Knute Rockne’s (first) Notre Dame in East Lansing behind their new HC George Gauthier and their star African-American running back Harry Graves. Both bands played before the game and took so long it was getting dark. Coaches decided to skip halftime to keep things moving. Michigan’s got a solid 21-0 lead built up after their first drive of the 2nd half and go into cruise mode.

MSC scores the only points on Michigan late because it’s so dark out at the end of the 4th quarter that they throw a pass and Michigan doesn’t know the guy’s there. ONLY points scored on M all season. Bullion in the Freep:

"M.A.C.'s defeat is nothing for her to be ashamed of. It simply was a case of a better-conditioned and smarter eleven overpowering another that, though it lacked nothing in the way of fight that its enemy possessed, failed to cope with the superior knowledge of the game that was Michigan's by right of judgment and the attending conditions."

Defeated with Dignity!


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State of the Rivalry: Michigan first played them in 1897 and made OSU an annual game starting the year before Yost. Ohio State wasn’t in the conference yet so they were a nonconference annual rival from 1900-1906 and we just kept playing every year after that until 1912, when OSU joined the Big Ten and had to break it off (also broke off their original EoY rival, Kenyon College). At this point Michigan had a 13-0-2 series lead. So this game was M-OSU back together again, and placed at the end of the year. It’s warming up but it’s not THE rivalry yet.

OSU: No Chic Harley (war) who was one of the biggest stars in the game in 1916-’17 and 1919 (Yost asked to personally congratulate Harley after the 1919 game). The character in Leatherheads was loosely based on Harley, who was a player-part owner of the Bears. Chic lived a sad life after.

Michigan and Illinois didn’t play each other but OSU was a common opponent so beating the 13-0 mark by Illinois was the goal. Conditions were wet and slippery due to rain all morning. Stek got into a punt-a-thon with OSU’s Rife.

3rd Quarter Knode finally breaks the tie with a 30-yard TD run but while they’re celebrating a linesman FROM THE WRONG SIDE overrules the guy who was over the play and says no TD. Typical.

0-0 tie in the 4th quarter: 73-yard punt by Stek “stuck fast in the mud” on the OSU 2. Next punt Rife get blocked by Goetz. Bullion in the Freep:

"The pass from center was perfect and there seemed to be no fear that Rife would not get it away. But Goetz, one man who has starred in every game the Maize and Blue played this year, shattered the line and rammed the Buckeye punter. Leather and Goetz collided and the pigskin went bounding away with Goetz in hot pursuit. Three scarlet-robed athletes tried to block Goetz's path to the ball, but he thrust them aside and went to earth with it just as his rivals in the race catapulted themselves at the leather.

Later Stek faked an edge run and popped it to Dunne for a TD pass.

Big Ten Champs? 

Illinois and Purdue were also undefeated in B1G play: Illinois’s AD tries to claim the title with 4 wins (Iowa, at Wisconsin, Ohio State, at Chicago) to Michigan’s two (Chi and OSU). Illini try to use their blowout over Chicago, M stands on a road win at Columbus. Illinois by the way has two 7-0 October losses to Great Lakes Navy and Chicago Naval Reserve--both All Star teams. Maybe it’s a good thing M’s games were canceled?

National Champs?

Pitt went 4-0 under Pop Warner but then lost to the Cleveland Naval Reserve on 11/30, 10-9. They claim the 4th Q was extended to allow the cadets to take the lead. It ended Pop’s 30-game winning streak.


  • "A Good man Is Hard to Find"—Eddie Green
  • "Over There"—George M. Cohan
  • "Clarinet Marmalade"—Bix Beiderbecke
  • "Tishomingo Blues"—Duke Ellington, performed by Bunk Johnson
  • “Across 110th Street”

 The war is not over. Millions are being killed. Europe is mad. The world is mad!

WTKA Roundtable 3/12/2020: Tom Izzo’s Basement

WTKA Roundtable 3/12/2020: Tom Izzo’s Basement

March 12, 2020

Things discussed:

  • COVID-19 and whether the Big Ten Tournament is canceled.
  • Hoiberg sick on the bench: where were their protocols?
  • Michigan's protocol: immediate quarantine for any player or coach.
  • The disease: America woefully unprepared, not enough tests available yet.
  • Rutgers talk: the most neutral of sites! Wisconsin has Mama Trice who is 30x more annoying.
  • Hockeytalk: Mann should be Big Ten MVP. Michigan's in a play-in game.
  • Pythagorean W-L for hockey has Michigan a massive outlier: five or more games below when other teams are at their goal differential.
  • More Rutgers talk: keep the shot volume comparable, they're not a pick and pop center three team.
  • DDJ and Eli: who's going to be the point next year?
  • Sam doesn't remember Chris Collins going down on all fours to implore his team to play defense.
  • Will WMU make a serious play ($380k is not serious; he makes $330k now) for WMU grad Saddi Washington?
  • Yak back on the market after this year?
The Ace Pod 2.2: I Need Somebody

The Ace Pod 2.2: I Need Somebody

March 10, 2020

This podcast is brought to you by the law offices of E. Jason Blankenship, who’s got a shiny new site to show off.


With the Big Ten yearly awards out, we go over the selections and make our own picks. After starting out in lockstep with the media, we quickly diverge, and we took different approaches to assembling our second and third teams. Poor Daniel Oturu deserves better than second-team but good lord the big men in the conference this year are ridiculous.


Rutgers looks like a good matchup, particularly since Michigan has, y’know, already beaten them twice away from Crisler this year. In general, this is a good draw for a nine-seed, particularly if Michigan can make the requisite adjustments should they get to Wisconsin—they figured out too late that Brandon Johns needs to be the backup center in that game. Both of us get a little weird with our title game predictions.


Can Michigan win the Big Ten tournament? What about the whole damn thing? Also:

  • Describing Juwan Howard’s offensive philosophy
  • What the return of Austin Davis means for next year’s roster
  • John Beilein, Michigan assistant? (No.)
  • Why floor slapping is bad and people who do it should feel bad.

Alex brought up this wonderful Jae’Sean Tate moment and it’s worth treasuring:

  • “I Need Somebody” — Iggy & The Stooges
  • “Shiny New Model” — Bodega


The origin of this is Duke and that’s why everybody hates it.


MGoPodcast 11.24: Scrub City

MGoPodcast 11.24: Scrub City

March 9, 2020

"Nunez is killing us" –Mark Turgeon

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1. Hoops vs Maryland

starts at 1:00

Why is scrub city always so good against Michigan? Part of it of course is they needed to guard Jalen Smith at the arc and that creates space for the other guys. Nothing Michigan can do about Cowan hitting those shots: the guards contested but they're shorter. Michigan hasn't shot above 30% for six games: Eli and Livers are 0/8 from three, meanwhile the guys the scouting report says to let them shoot are 6/8. Maryland looks good: cut to the sideline and (former Michigan assistant) DeAndre Haynes is calling all the shots. Franz! D.J. Carstenson gets to litigate another ripped jersey, after X hits a free throw, which means he fouls out halfway through his free throws and Teske has to take the 2nd.

[The rest of the writeup and the player after The Jump]

2. Hoops vs Nebrasketball and Women's Hoops

starts at 23:23

Somehow their PG has had three difference suspensions in the last five games. Sloppyball: Nebraska had 22 turnovers. More good from Bajema. Women vs. Nebraska: KBA autobenches Naz after two fouls, and she gets no more fouls as Michigan comes back in the second half. Hayley Brown, Michigan's stretch five, hit a huge three-pointer at the end. Not a lot of upsets: Michigan's 7/2 win over Northwestern might move them up off the 8/9 line, which should get them out of playing a 1 seed on their home court.

3. Juwan's First Year: The Feels

starts at 41:33

There was a point in the season we were going to win the national title and an upset over Louisville away from being the #1 team in the country, and there was a point where we thought we were going to fall out of the playoffs. Went too far to making Jon Teske a paint guy and lost his pick and roll efficiency. Eli and Big Country earned roles on next year's team. DDJ became a much better defender and looks like a potential breakout guy next year. Livers slumped after his third (ankle) injury, trying to make things happen when he's the guy who needs to let the game come to him—going to be awesome as a complementary piece next year. Their two-point % despite not having a rim guy tells you how well they've been running stuff.

Next year: Todd is a 7-foot Franz Wagner, more sticks than Sticks, Hunter Dickinson is huge, and you know what you're getting from Austin Davis. Will Castleton develop? Long-term: program could be Villanova.

4. Hockey

starts at 1:20:53

Smack dab on the NCAA bubble after a pair of 3-0 wins over MSU in the BTT. Beating Ohio State basically locks up a bid, and losing makes them 40% or less to get an at-large. RPI margins are razor-thin: 11th to 17th are all basically tied. Wish we had another year of Hayhurst after he blew up in the 2nd half of the season. Mann > Hunwick? Brian: You guys might be right, but I'll never admit it.


  • "Groundhog Day"—Primus
  • "Motion Sickness"—Phoebe Bridgers
  • "The Mystery Zone"—Spoon
  • “Across 110th Street”
WTKA Roundtable 3/5/2020: My Dad Will Cry

WTKA Roundtable 3/5/2020: My Dad Will Cry

March 6, 2020

Things discussed:

  • Appreciation for the seniors: when X arrived Brian asked in slack why did we recruit this 5'11" guy who can't shoot. To come back from that to one of the most definitive point guards in Michigan basketball is quite something.
  • Who's the next PG? Eli can run the plays; if Christopher comes he still needs to learn how a pick & roll works.
  • Stauskas jump for Franz next year? He's gotten better over the course of the season. NBA flight risk? Been way more active as a defender.
  • Wisconsin: Michigan struggles with fives who can shoot even without Brooks. Craig: in the first half the drop coverage was 1.4 PPP, it was 0.8 PPP versus switching.
  • Ohio State: banks should be worth –3 points. Why was Livers playing heroball (8/11 shots forced)?
  • Is Tom Izzo losing it? Will you miss the angry gnome when he's gone?
  • Clone Foster Loyer and play 13 Foster Loyers.
  • Maryland: Sticks is a problem, their shooters are bad or terrible so of course they'll go 5/7 against Michigan. Turgeoning is a verb.
  • Hockey: take away any one of numerous bad bounce goals this year and they win the Big Ten. Have a chance to dig out of the hole and get into the playoffs this weekend. All hail Strauss Mann.
The Michigan Hockeycast 2.6: Sloth

The Michigan Hockeycast 2.6: Sloth

March 5, 2020

Back in December they were as dead as a trout in a bucket of motor oil.

wsg Craig Ross

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1. The ND and Minnesota Series

starts at 0:50

Deflating series against the super-defensive Domers. Get a split or get two wins and Michigan's in the driver's seat to win the conference, but they just didn't have the guys who can get a bucket.

Then they go to Minnesota, who's been hotter than Michigan in the back half of the season, expecting to finish 7th in the Big Ten. Gophers pour it on, and Strauss Mann is a wall. Weird bounce goal brings Minnesota back to 2-1, and then they call a really weak major that steals the game and what could have been a sweep. Craig likes Granowicz because he can do the Holmstrom heavy in front of the net. Mann is a god.

2. Craig's Penalties, Big Ten Tournament, MSU Preview, Pairwise

starts at 28:41

Fifteen seconds for horseplay, 30 seconds for hijinks, 45 seconds for tomfoolery, a minute for shenanigans, and giving him the business is a minute and a half. Roughhousing is 1:45, two minutes for roughing, and then various levels of Mayhem: 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree. Big Ten MVP? Have to get past MSU and their very good goalie to have a shot at OSU again. Sweep MSU and they're in the tourney? Pairwise can get to 12th at best, 14th likely if they don't get help.

  • "NHL on ESPN Theme"
  • "Passacaglia/A Bud and A Slice"—Joe Jackson
  • "Ice Hockey (NES) theme"
MGoPodcast 11.23: The Dagger Bank

MGoPodcast 11.23: The Dagger Bank

March 2, 2020

It's been a rule since 1974: that was a big year for ululating.

The Sponsors

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Our associate sponsors are also key to all of this: HomeSure Lending, Peak Wealth Management, Ann Arbor Elder Law, the Residence Inn Ann Arbor Downtown, the University of Michigan Alumni Association, Michigan Law Grad, Human Element, The Phil Klein Insurance Group, FuegoBox and The Athletic

1. Hoops vs Ohio State

starts at 1:00

Ohio State gets two bank threes: can you remember Michigan's last (competitive) bank shot? Understand now how Purdue felt when they had to take Isaac Haas and Caleb Swanigan off the court. Michigan's trying all kinds of switches. Livers had a terrible week. Castleton hesitated on his corner three attempt. Very matchup-dependent team. Livers discussion: not great in the lane, stay in your role.

[The rest of the writeup and the player after The Jump]

2. Hoops vs Wisconsin

starts at 27:30

Vastly worst defensive performance of the year. Wisconsin can't miss their threes but this time they're open. UW let X go crazy in the paint—it didn't really work for them. DDJ hits his breakaways and Michigan's got the lead at the end. Communication went badly but straight-up they got beat on drives. Wagner coming around. Why Nunez? Michigan this year is just incredibly unlucky in threes.

3. Hot Takes and a Gimmicky Top Five

starts at 45:55

Ways Brian is like Adam Sandler. You can't sue me for this: Saul Goodman is not real, first of all. There's a 90s open shirt with a t-shirt thing going on.

4. Hockey vs. the World

starts at 1:18:24

Old fashioned three-point weekend at Minnesota on the head of Strauss Mann.

  • "Opposite Day"—Andrew Bird
  • "On Repeat"—LCD Soundsystem
  • "Lunch Lady Land"—Adam Sandler
  • “Across 110th Street”
WTKA Roundable 2/27/2020: Cleveland Is Not In High Demand

WTKA Roundable 2/27/2020: Cleveland Is Not In High Demand

February 28, 2020

Things discussed:

  • Rutgers has an athletic team that can't shoot the ball.
  • Trevion Williams is the right guy for Austin Davis to body up. Put him on a brute.
  • Eli changes hair to look like X, plays like X
  • Can Michigan go to Cleveland?
  • Wisconsin: bad matchup for Michigan because they're three-dependent. Micah Potter has been a monster (also ironic people were complaining about King's transfer like two days after Potter became eligible from his Ohio State transfer)
  • Ohio State: How do those pieces fit together so well?
  • Craig: Michigan got a fair whistle at Purdue—the awful whistle disappeared after the first 8 games (by which point M had played 6) but Michigan still can't get a call at home—Ohio State game was one of the most ridiculous stripe games of the year. Ohio State has some crazy kind officiating (FYI the director of basketball who oversees the officials is a former OSU coach.)
  • Dr. Anderson: The guy who fired Dr. A was surprised decades later that the guy still had a job at Michigan. Athletic Dept. doesn't choose their doctors so someone at the university reassigned the guy. Who knew what when?
  • Craig: Was told if people knew, it wasn't at the higher levels.
  • Josh Christopher/Hunter Dickinson: Dickinson's defense has come around, he can shoot, can he go right? Christopher is uber athletic. Giant Dosunmu, throw out his high school numbers because there's no coaching at Mayfair.
The Teams: 1879

The Teams: 1879

February 27, 2020

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Previously: 1901192519321947195019641976198019881999

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Composite of the Harvard-McGill game, courtesy of the McCord Museum at McGill

Everything you think you know is wrong. Field and town games were purposely ignored through history, which puts a shroud over our records of these games going on in myriad forms throughout the Middle Ages. The American tradition comes out of England. We track the history of baseball because they're linked and it got there first. "Football" refers to all the soccer- and rugby-like games played with a large ball as opposed to "Handball" which used a smaller ball or "Stickball" from which tradition comes field hockey.

Football at Michigan: a guy named William Gailey, who also wrote "The Yellow and the Blue," and also Cal's alma mater, organized these 11-on-11 games that might have been more like soccer. There was also the tradition of "The Rush" which was a violent diag battle where the goal was to throw the other team over their fence. Muscular Christianity and the cultural shift toward a mass appreciation athletics. The athletics movement on campus: students organize sports as they like, create their own athletics association.



Pushball on Ferry Field in 1907. [UM Bentley Library]

Rutgers-Princeton: 100% soccer, but the rugby-like game (and things similar to rush) were around. Michigan wanted to play a soccer-like against Cornell but the game was canceled by Cornell. When does it become football? Rules tensions between places that had rugby- or soccer-like traditions but all called it "football." Harvard-McGill play a game of rugby with a round ball and 15-on-15, had a second game scheduled that was 13-on-13, and it's not clear if it was played. "Food poisoning" means they got drunk. Return game is in Montreal, has an oblong ball, is a very plausible argument that it was rugby. Craig thinks it was still 15-on-15 but it was definitely more like football than soccer. Harvard had a hard time finding opponents for their "Boston Rules" game—found Tufts.

Walter Camp: a situational extremist, as opposed to the open, moving rugby game. What helped Camp win out was everyone was mad at Dartmouth, the extremist who wanted a game more like The Rush. Banned things like dressing like an orc from Warcraft.


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01 LEAD First game

A drawing of the first game from the UM Palladium, 1880 [courtesy UM Bentley Library]

Camp's rules win out in late 1878, Michigan gets challenged by Racine and delays until next spring. Michigan puts on blue belts and blue hose and heads out to play a timed game of 11-on-11. We discuss the rules and the method of scoring a touchdown. Michigan dominates play, scoring the first TD in the first inning (half) but not converting it despite the Michigan fans and their umpire saying the ball went over the crossbar—like that's never going to happen again. Irving K. Pond scores another TD late and DeTarr makes the extra point good for a 1-0 victory (in modern terms it's 13-0).


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THREE-QUARTER BACK Edmond H. Barmore (IN): First quarterback in football. Son of a steamboat builder, director of the athletic association, graduated in 1881. Mustache came along. Moved to LA and got into the transfer business. Feted the 1901 team. Check out this mustache progression:


HALFBACK Charles E. Campbell (Detroit): Dad was a regent and law prof, caught the opening kickoff. Studied under Angell, big-time lawyer and civic leader in Detroit. Trustee of Mariner’s Church where I volunteer, where there’s a picture of him.

HALFBACK (didn’t make Chi trip): Collins Johnson (GR): Surgeon at Harper’s Hospital (overlooking the grounds where they played Toronto). Then was the district surgeon in GR for the railway. Made breakthroughs in Typhoid Fever at his lab in later life.

RUSHER John Chase (AA): Doctor, later General John Chase, Colorado National Guard commander. Dad was one of the first treasurers at Mich. Founded Denver Medical College. Known for leading troops against strikers: Ludlow Massacre was under his men.

RUSHER Irving K. Pond (AA): Engineer, son of a state senator. Architect who built a lot of the Arts & Crafts architecture in Chicago, including the Home Insurance Building, Hull House, The Lillie House, and the Lorado Taft Midway Studios, the Oregon Public Library, and the Union at Purdue and the Michigan Union. Rival of Frank Lloyd Wright. Also an amateur acrobat.

RUSHER Richard DePuy (North Dakota): on the 1878-1882 teams. Brother William was on the team one year. Became a physician in Jamestown, part of a company that became Johnson & Johnson.

RUSHER/KICKER/CAPTAIN David DeTarr (Iowa): First captain. Became a doctor in his hometown.

LEFT SIDE Randolph Thomas “RT” Edwards (AA): Father of Tom Edwards, the star tackle for the 1925 team. Owned the rule book (family brought a rugby rule book from Warwickshire, England). Lawyer and teacher and manager of a Seeds sales office.

LEFT SIDE Frank Reed (AA): Nothing available.

RIGHT SIDE Jack A. Green (Austin, TX): Nothing available.

RIGHT SIDE William W. Hannan (Dowagiac): Best athlete at the school, recruited by the athletic association but liked Law better. Became a real estate developer, top real estate guy in Detroit in the 1900s.

GOALKEEPER Charles S. Mitchell (Minnesota): Newspaper publisher/editor, editor in chief of the Washington Herald. Founder of the Athletic Association at UM. Captain of the senior football team. Attorney when he graduated.

FORWARD Frank Gates Allen (Aurora, IL): Moline Plow Company and the bank in Moline, Illinois. His home is the Moline Board of Education building.

SUB William B. Calvert (AA)

SUB Albert Pettit (AA): Real estate in Baton Rouge, LA: Grandfather of the basketball Hall of Famer.

We don't know how the Toronto game was organized but it took place on the ballpark they had recently built in an attempt to get what would become the Detroit Tigers into the majors. Two-hundred and fifty students got on a train that morning. The game started late because Michigan didn't arrive on time. It ended in a 0-0 tie. Little is known about the play because the newspapers covering it focused on the rules.


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